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		<title>By: jina</title>
		<link>http://www.jinamoore.com/2009/10/06/okay-now-tell-me-where-he-put-his-hands/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>jina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Anon.  But I wholeheartedly disagree.  Reporters are omitting quotes all the time.  They have to.  No story, this story included, is a notebook dump -- every since story you read in the newspaper or online represents an editorial choice, be it by reporters or editors or both, about what&#039;s important for the story.  No reporter would pretend otherwise.  Part of the job -- and the skill -- in being a reporter is knowing what to choose, how, and why

Journalism, and and especially criticism of journalism, often acts as if reporters are stenographers, just people there to move a block of information from a room to a printed page.  But we know that&#039;s not the case.  Put four reporters in a press conference, and you get four different stories.  Similar, sure, but different.  Put four reporters in a conflict zone, and you&#039;ll get a bigger differential in &quot;the&quot; story.  To expect anything different strikes me as naive.

You&#039;re right that the power equation is way out of whack when reporting in Africa, and you&#039;re right that that shouldn&#039;t paralyze reporters from doing their jobs.  It&#039;s not the doing of the job that&#039;s the issue; it&#039;s how.

You&#039;re also right that reporters aren&#039;t social workers or protection advocates (in fact, I&#039;m going to have a blog post up about this in just a day or two over at the Pulizter Center).  But that doesn&#039;t mean they can&#039;t think sensitively about the impact of their editorial choices.

Here&#039;s another thing Joan Didion does well: She chooses telling details.  How many times have we as  cub reporters seen phrases like &quot;while sipping an iced tea&quot; slashed from our copy?  We think it&#039;s color, but our editors teach us that it&#039;s just extraneous detail.  Details should add something, reveal something, give context or nuance.

What detail does the quote in question add?  I know that the woman was raped by a man sticking his hand inside her.  Does that add anything?  Does that reveal any nuance, or make me understand the crime any better?  I don&#039;t think so.  On the other hand, I think the cost is high -- to the source, and to the reader (I&#039;ve heard from quite a few people who didn&#039;t finish the article).

I&#039;m not saying everyone who thinks about these things will make the same choice as me.  But I am saying it&#039;s a choice, and we should acknowledge and take responsibility for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Anon.  But I wholeheartedly disagree.  Reporters are omitting quotes all the time.  They have to.  No story, this story included, is a notebook dump -- every since story you read in the newspaper or online represents an editorial choice, be it by reporters or editors or both, about what's important for the story.  No reporter would pretend otherwise.  Part of the job -- and the skill -- in being a reporter is knowing what to choose, how, and why</p>
<p>Journalism, and and especially criticism of journalism, often acts as if reporters are stenographers, just people there to move a block of information from a room to a printed page.  But we know that's not the case.  Put four reporters in a press conference, and you get four different stories.  Similar, sure, but different.  Put four reporters in a conflict zone, and you'll get a bigger differential in "the" story.  To expect anything different strikes me as naive.</p>
<p>You're right that the power equation is way out of whack when reporting in Africa, and you're right that that shouldn't paralyze reporters from doing their jobs.  It's not the doing of the job that's the issue; it's how.</p>
<p>You're also right that reporters aren't social workers or protection advocates (in fact, I'm going to have a blog post up about this in just a day or two over at the Pulizter Center).  But that doesn't mean they can't think sensitively about the impact of their editorial choices.</p>
<p>Here's another thing Joan Didion does well: She chooses telling details.  How many times have we as  cub reporters seen phrases like "while sipping an iced tea" slashed from our copy?  We think it's color, but our editors teach us that it's just extraneous detail.  Details should add something, reveal something, give context or nuance.</p>
<p>What detail does the quote in question add?  I know that the woman was raped by a man sticking his hand inside her.  Does that add anything?  Does that reveal any nuance, or make me understand the crime any better?  I don't think so.  On the other hand, I think the cost is high -- to the source, and to the reader (I've heard from quite a few people who didn't finish the article).</p>
<p>I'm not saying everyone who thinks about these things will make the same choice as me.  But I am saying it's a choice, and we should acknowledge and take responsibility for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your question, &quot;Did he really have to include the quote...&quot; is revealing.

What right does a reporter have to omit that quote? Or any others?

You seem to be confusing the role of a reporter. A reporter isn&#039;t there to protect one party or another, no matter how horrific the circumstance. A reporter is there to document and tell a story. And in that process people will get hurt.

Which addresses your second question, are reporters complicit? Um, yes. Particularly, in Africa, where the power equation between reporter and source is often frightfully out of balance. Should this paralyze reporters from doing their jobs? I don&#039;t think so.

But, I think any reporter covering violence--particularly sexual violence--needs to balance their obligation not to self-censor with whether they can live with the repercussions of reporting the story.

When a reporter begins engaging in other things, particularly divining what is best for their sources, they become something different, but certainly not a reporter.

I think Joan Didion put it well: &quot;Writers are always selling somebody out.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your question, "Did he really have to include the quote..." is revealing.</p>
<p>What right does a reporter have to omit that quote? Or any others?</p>
<p>You seem to be confusing the role of a reporter. A reporter isn't there to protect one party or another, no matter how horrific the circumstance. A reporter is there to document and tell a story. And in that process people will get hurt.</p>
<p>Which addresses your second question, are reporters complicit? Um, yes. Particularly, in Africa, where the power equation between reporter and source is often frightfully out of balance. Should this paralyze reporters from doing their jobs? I don't think so.</p>
<p>But, I think any reporter covering violence--particularly sexual violence--needs to balance their obligation not to self-censor with whether they can live with the repercussions of reporting the story.</p>
<p>When a reporter begins engaging in other things, particularly divining what is best for their sources, they become something different, but certainly not a reporter.</p>
<p>I think Joan Didion put it well: "Writers are always selling somebody out."</p>
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		<title>By: Getting Congress focused on sexual violence against Darfuris</title>
		<link>http://www.jinamoore.com/2009/10/06/okay-now-tell-me-where-he-put-his-hands/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Getting Congress focused on sexual violence against Darfuris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are reading this, I urge you to attend.This issue is not covered well in the media (while &#8220;the act&#8221; of rape itself gets more media play these days, the actual issues that matter to those who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are reading this, I urge you to attend.This issue is not covered well in the media (while &#8220;the act&#8221; of rape itself gets more media play these days, the actual issues that matter to those who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually recall reading this article in the NYT and wincing at this particular passage.  At the time I didn&#039;t contemplate exactly why.  As I think about it now, I recognize it was the detail of the scene that struck me as unexpected, and perhaps gratuitous.  It may be that I felt drawn too far into the detail of that specific event (e.g. was it just his hand that he used?), which certainly distracts from the bigger picture of the article.

I don&#039;t think many consumers of news media (whether print or otherwise) consider the details of the journalistic process on how and why things are written as they are, as well as how it influences us as readers.  It is interesting to read your comments, and to think about the challenges involved in appropriately covering these type of topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually recall reading this article in the NYT and wincing at this particular passage.  At the time I didn't contemplate exactly why.  As I think about it now, I recognize it was the detail of the scene that struck me as unexpected, and perhaps gratuitous.  It may be that I felt drawn too far into the detail of that specific event (e.g. was it just his hand that he used?), which certainly distracts from the bigger picture of the article.</p>
<p>I don't think many consumers of news media (whether print or otherwise) consider the details of the journalistic process on how and why things are written as they are, as well as how it influences us as readers.  It is interesting to read your comments, and to think about the challenges involved in appropriately covering these type of topics.</p>
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		<title>By: jina</title>
		<link>http://www.jinamoore.com/2009/10/06/okay-now-tell-me-where-he-put-his-hands/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>jina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Lindsay.  The own voice is important.  But as for the gritty details of the attack --- the issue for is, did he ask, or did she volunteer?  And is it volunteering, or &quot;volunteering?&quot;  What happens to me a lot is people say they&#039;re willing to talk to me, but they&#039;re trying to be polite, hospitable, etc.  This happens even in these stories; there&#039;s an acquiescence that seems like consent but may not be.  And there&#039;s no way for a reader to know which is which; it&#039;s entirely the reporter&#039;s call.  I don&#039;t know what Adam&#039;s call was; I just think it&#039;s important to think about the problem every once in awhile...

On the other hand, there are important questions about what and how much to tell the reader, and in what sequence, in order to do all the things a story should do: be informative; give context; be sensitive to the people who appear in it, etc.  This story doesn&#039;t work for me at the reader&#039;s level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're right, Lindsay.  The own voice is important.  But as for the gritty details of the attack --- the issue for is, did he ask, or did she volunteer?  And is it volunteering, or "volunteering?"  What happens to me a lot is people say they're willing to talk to me, but they're trying to be polite, hospitable, etc.  This happens even in these stories; there's an acquiescence that seems like consent but may not be.  And there's no way for a reader to know which is which; it's entirely the reporter's call.  I don't know what Adam's call was; I just think it's important to think about the problem every once in awhile...</p>
<p>On the other hand, there are important questions about what and how much to tell the reader, and in what sequence, in order to do all the things a story should do: be informative; give context; be sensitive to the people who appear in it, etc.  This story doesn't work for me at the reader's level.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Beyerstein</title>
		<link>http://www.jinamoore.com/2009/10/06/okay-now-tell-me-where-he-put-his-hands/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Beyerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least he&#039;s letting the victim tell her story in her own words. If she thought it was important to relate the gritty details of her attack, I don&#039;t fault the reporter for reproducing her testimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least he's letting the victim tell her story in her own words. If she thought it was important to relate the gritty details of her attack, I don't fault the reporter for reproducing her testimony.</p>
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		<title>By: jina</title>
		<link>http://www.jinamoore.com/2009/10/06/okay-now-tell-me-where-he-put-his-hands/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>jina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Penelope.  Just to be clear, this isn&#039;t supposed to be NYT-bashing, or comprehensive.  It&#039;s just one example of how easy it is to get caught up in the motions of reporting and writing a story, without realizing the implications of what seems most of the time so basic.  I also happen to think there are examples of the NYT doing great work in Africa.  This is more about how journalists in general write about atrocity, regardless of the outlet, and how the form and motions of deadline journalism can sometimes lead us in the wrong direction.  (There&#039;s some great work being done to advance a sensitivity about that at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dartcenter.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma&lt;/a&gt;, if that&#039; of interest.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Penelope.  Just to be clear, this isn't supposed to be NYT-bashing, or comprehensive.  It's just one example of how easy it is to get caught up in the motions of reporting and writing a story, without realizing the implications of what seems most of the time so basic.  I also happen to think there are examples of the NYT doing great work in Africa.  This is more about how journalists in general write about atrocity, regardless of the outlet, and how the form and motions of deadline journalism can sometimes lead us in the wrong direction.  (There's some great work being done to advance a sensitivity about that at the <a href="http://www.dartcenter.org" rel="nofollow">Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma</a>, if that' of interest.)</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you make some excellent points - I agree that maybe not much is gained by adding in that type of detail or quote, and it can in fact contribute to distancing the reader from the subject.

That said, I also think that there are way worse examples of NYT reporters representing Africa poorly - Adam Nossiter has been doing a great job (in my non-expert opinion) covering recent events in Guinea, and all his articles on the topic have been well written.

I really appreciate that you picked up on these subtleties and wrote this insightful post, even though other examples could be more compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you make some excellent points - I agree that maybe not much is gained by adding in that type of detail or quote, and it can in fact contribute to distancing the reader from the subject.</p>
<p>That said, I also think that there are way worse examples of NYT reporters representing Africa poorly - Adam Nossiter has been doing a great job (in my non-expert opinion) covering recent events in Guinea, and all his articles on the topic have been well written.</p>
<p>I really appreciate that you picked up on these subtleties and wrote this insightful post, even though other examples could be more compelling.</p>
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